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NOT TOO TIGHT, NOT TOO LOOSE

a podcast about finding balance in the pursuit of wellbeing

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Not Too Tight, Not Too Loose is a podcast about finding balance in the pursuit of wellbeing. Inspired by an ancient teaching about meditation, music, and finding a middle path between extremes, Not Too Tight, Not Too Loose explores developments in psychology, psychedelics, meditation, spirituality, AI and more. We talk with leading thinkers and practitioners to make sense of both the cutting edge and traditional wisdom. Rather than searching for ways to fix what’s wrong, Not Too Tight, Not Too Loose invites us to stay humble, pay attention, and realize that wellbeing isn’t about flipping the right switch but rather, that it’s more like keeping an instrument in tune.

All episodes

Episode 7 — The Neuroscience of Meditation, Well-being and the Spiritual Path with Jonas Mago

Released February 20, 2026

Episode 6 — Neurodivergence, Predictive Processing, and Psychotherapy with Sarah Bergenfield

Released January 22, 2026

Episode 4 — Navigating the Complexities of Psychedelic Therapy with Dr. Devon Christie

Released December 11, 2025

Episode 3 — Psychedelic Psychiatry After the Renaissance (with Dr. Kyle Greenway)

Released November 12, 2025

Episode 2 — Giuliano’s Story: MDMA-Assisted Therapy, PTSD, and Emotional Integration

Released October 29, 2025

Hosts

Andrew Rose

Andrew Rose

Psychedelic integration coach, educator, and strategic consultant.

Andrew Rose is a psychedelic integration coach and educator, certified mindfulness teacher, and strategic consultant with over 20 years of experience working with psychedelics, meditation, and contemplative practices. Since 2017, he has educated clinicians, therapists and the public about psychedelics and their therapeutic applications.

He maintains a private practice supporting clients around the world with issues related to non-ordinary states of consciousness, spirituality, and wellbeing. He is a managing partner at Refuge, and also the co-director of Plant Parenthood, a community organization supporting parents and families who are interested in the intersection of intentional psychedelic use, parenting, and family life.

He previously played strategic leadership roles with a number of prominent organizations in the psychedelic sector including Mindspace, Numinus, Fluence and the Psychedelic Safety Institute. Learn more about Andrew here: andrewroseintegration.com

Dr. Joe Flanders

Dr. Joe Flanders

Clinical psychologist, psychedelic therapist, and founder of Refuge.

Joe received his PhD in Clinical Psychology from McGill University in 2008 and went on to complete a postdoctoral fellowship at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. He founded Mindspace Wellbeing in 2011, a clinic chain in Montreal specializing in mindfulness-based psychotherapy and group programs. In 2021, Mindspace was acquired by Numinus and Joe took on the role of Vice-President of Practitioner Training.

Since 2023, he has been focusing on his private practice as well as his role at Refuge. Joe specializes in Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy and occasionally (and legally) introduces psychedelic substances to catalyze on-going psychotherapy with clients who are eligible. He has been trained to deliver psychedelic-assisted therapy by the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) and contributed to their phase 3 clinical trial.

He holds the Advanced Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT) and Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) Facilitation Certificates from the Centre for Mindfulness Studies (CMS) in Toronto and has extensive training in Mindfulness-Based Psychotherapy and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Learn more about Joe here: drjoeflanders.com

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